Roys also lamented the fallout of todays news. Mike was genuinely shocked when we told him our son had Paxton as a camp counselor for whole week at Camp Harvest and we never received notice as HBC falsely told Daily Herald. If so Id be in agreement but again- this is not a political post. Dont find that in the Bible. Even now, many years later, the enemy could still, if I let him, get me questioning my motives and trying to persuade me I was in the wrong not the shepherds. Thank you for sharing your story, Lina. I was pleasantly surprised to find that you know each other. Such lack of accountability is often a problem at megachurches, which tend to be founded by charismatic individuals who quickly amass a large following. Another blind believer. I appreciate your voice. I so agree with your cancer analogy as it relates to Harvest. Harvest Bible Chapel has fired its founder and senior pastor James MacDonald following years of controversial behavior, financial scandal and allegations of bullying and intimidation. Prevent these types of money exchange corporations, blessings. Witnesses say MacDonald was angry that the photo was still on display. The news came less than a week after another update from Julie Roys, a defendant in the lawsuit and the writer responsible for the World investigation, who has continued to release evidence against MacDonald and call for his resignation. Some women were still in the middle of the trauma and were still currently attending Harvest. The small church that I and my family left was a textbook case in spiritual abuse. The web page has a Contact button on the bottom and we can email. Why not start a different type of church that is not pastor directed? Harvest dropped the lawsuit; MacDonald took a leave of absence; Roys revealed that MacDonald had lied; and then, finally, MacDonald went on a public vulgar, slander-laced tirade against Roys and Christianity Today. Leak of highly inappropriate comments by founding pastor of Chicago-area megachurch caps months-long clash with critics. Fear. Christians! This past Sunday, Harvests elders and remaining pastors were in serious damage control mode. Todays Christians are weak and show Satan how powerful he is when their own Church is faced with trouble. Gods hand is on Harvest and the dark is continuing to be shown. This should not be! first Bill Hybels. Woah there Nellie! I pray shes wrong. Is it perfect? Thanks for finally being honest. Matthew 7:15: Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. Quit pointing fingers, justifying why and stirring the pot. Unreal as I went to Harvest for over 7 yrs and this whole situation has hurt so many people. The Lord has used you mightily before, during and after your exit from the toxic leadership at Harvest. Its been over a year and a lot has changed at Harvest and a lot sill needs to change. I have always wondered why you left Lina but didnt know you personally to ask. Conversions credited to women evangelists sharing the good news one-on-one in conversations. It seems to me that theyve had years to repent and make things right. Your two posts make no sense I hope you get some sense and realize people in Church are not infallible only Jesus! I do have cds and dvd of contemporary Christian artists. Also, for 2 years I felt my prayers didnt get past the ceiling. Thats the point and issue with what was and is going on at Harvest. I was a woman ruled by fear. Hidden things have come to light. I love this idea! I am thankful that timing of other circumstances in my life led me to a new city to grow and find a faithful, healthy, growing, biblical church community. Sometimes being good will also mean being nice, but sometimes it will not. Those are things we dont talk about often enough about. I love Dr. Dobsons admonition that while it is tempting to want to get out of a painful situation, often the only way out is through. Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? I am delighted to hear that. Truth is healthy. You are loved. - October 16, 2020 The protracted dispute between Pastor James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel (HBC) recently concluded through arbitration. People in leadership are there one day, and then poof! She was obedient to Christ. That occurred right after eight former elders sent a letter to the current elder board, claiming that MacDonald was guilty of self-promotionlove of moneydomineering and bullyingabusive speechoutbursts of anger[and] making misleading statements. Harvest countered by accusing those eight former elders of great sin and defiling many people., The three censured elders said Harvest maintained a culture of fear and intimidation that destroyed relationships. It seems to have so many cracks in the structure. The issue here is not TIMING or kicking someone when theyre down its about exposing ungodly, cowardly behavior and making people aware of its existence. Fear is never a godly way of governing. then the sermons and teaching were getting distorted and weird. DIRECTIONS & INFO | . I am thankful for JESUS that used Pastor James in my life. There are no ongoing issues of any kind. And a few days later James MacDonalds sons, Luke and Landon MacDonald, also announced they are resigning. MacDonald defended the decision to sue fellow believers in an opinion piece published inChristianity Today,which also published criticism of MacDonald. @Ross, Were you able to access it? Read the Old Testament. Be blessed dear Sister. I have 3 small groups now that are like this but we lack music. 3. In good conscience we walked away too knowing it was the right thing before God.So now I get your story, you were a favorite of Kathy and James so I am sure to take a stand against the injustice at Harvest was not at all an easy decision.So many other godly people got pushed out for speaking up about the entitlement and harshness of James and other Pastors and Elders.So very sad somewhere along the way they just forgot they are supposed to be shepherds and servant and not the guards defending the many sin issues at Harvest. (Matthew 12:33-37). Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! Sheesh. You personify a strong, fast talking, intelligent woman, which is a gift by way of your heritage. She is not trying to kick him while he is down. Thank you for adding your voice to the now chorus of voices calling for a time of judgment and reform. It never dawned on me that it would open you up to attack. You are courageous! Agreed Sheila. I didnt want to upset James. Id encourage you to read the prophets again, and ask, what upsets the heart of God? And then maybe its time to ask whether those things should upset you as well. When we try to protect those in power instead of those who are hurting, we are not doing the work of God. Church is a small community. I loved that about you. Leba and Sheila- Keep on being brave- it encourages me to do the same! The church was growing at the time. To judge a fellow brother and think you know if he is a believer is dangerous. Amen Sister! They all need to be excised ( fired ), along with number one enabler extraordinaire of James, Rick Donald, along with the MacDonald boys, along with every single campus pastor and the other pastors, and throw in the worship leaders ( they are all complicit ), then the cancer would have been completely removed and the body ( the good people of Harvest that are being fleeced ) would have a chance to heal and become part of a true biblical church. And still some came because their loved ones and spouses have abandoned the faith completely and now refuse to go to church and they long to understand why. Thank you for speaking out, Lina! Church leadership is urging members to wait for the results of this reviewand the changes that will be implementedbefore making the decision to leave the church. Lauren Boebert And Marjorie Greene's Adult "So Your Problem with Christianity is the Jesus No, the "Second Shift" Isn't Feminism's Fault. Several years went by and one family apologized to us as did another man. These are the last days! Leaving without speaking up was still an act of cowardice and self-preservation. No unfortunately I have not seen your web page. I have wondered if Harvest Bible Chapel (the organization) is worth the cost its taken to try and save it? Id like to think its the fear of man spoken about in the Bible but I think it often goes beyond that. What blessings are flowing at Harvest for those who stand firm! I cant imagine a person alive who couldnt look at their life and say the same thing in some area of their dealings with people. The pastor also gets $1.2 million and a parcel of property in Crystal Lake, Illinois, as well the ministrys equipment, books, and digital resources, the church announced this week. The elders were given a paper that laid out their duties, that mostly consisted of protecting, encouraging, and blessing the senior pastor. Another church on The Lord's Way is on its way out. It is now operating at James MacDonald Ministries. 4. The current model for pastor directed churches says that the senior pastor is the priest this is Old Testament. Browse 60+ years of magazine archives and web exclusives. All Rights Reserved. All why surrounding himself w/yes men. In Christian arbitration, the preacher was granted $1.45 million and the rights to Walk in the Word. If Harvest and James can answer that, without focusing merely upon what they do, it would be helpful. As questions about how Harvest Bible Fellowship money was used ballooned, the pressure mounted. It didnt. None of the perpetrators of hate and satanism have fully repented, including James, his despicable henchmen and the elders. Hes my brother in Christ. Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus, for the law of the spirit of life (in Christ Jesus) has set me free from the law of sin and death.. Faith is Christ living. As of November, 2021, HBC is $34,000,000 in debt. I really doubt theyre sending texts and emails asking for money. The question is with independent churches who did they answer to? Why now does not matter. He told me that I would be cursed for questioning his authority and God would punish me. Roys article details three examples of actions that former Harvest employees say reveal MacDonalds hot-tempered, vengeful personality. Thank you Yahweh. Since the publishing of this article, several developments have occurred at Harvest Bible Chapel. Can you please contact me from the Contact button on my web page here? The current leadership at Harvest Bible Chapel including Luke and Landon and Rick and Mo and Jeff and the CFO are infected by the cancer of fear and control. Please support my writing! What would it take to convince an elder board to question its pastor? The only hope is to totally exposed and excise it so that all will not be consumed. Sheri and her husband Gary attended Cornerstone in the 1980s while attending Azusa Pacific and in their first few years of marriage. The World article on the topic says that after Secrest was fired, "he was stunned, because his contract stipulated that he could be fired only for . I was just starting out at Harvest in September of 2011. This is a very vulnerable time for a lot of people and I am sure God weeps for every single wounded soul.. May the love of Jesus Christ and his peace flood over you this day! But that does not matter. So often, you would open your home to us. That is why we keep talking. Love you! and stay glued to founded and genuine monetary purchase services. I have a Patreon! One person (not from Harvest) asked if I needed to call the church to cancel my membership. Its difficult to understand how people can now know what they know and still only criticize the ones that feel compelled to now share their story. According to Roys extensive research and interviews, changes didnt occur at Harvest; instead, questionable treatment and practices continued. On January 16th, MacDonald took an indefinite sabbatical leave. I believe this is God working to expose sin just as Jesus warned Luke 12:2-3 For this, according to the Daily Herald, Secrest was fired. A final incident in Roys article involves MacDonald publicly berating HCA students, an incident witnessed by Harvest videographer Luke Helmer. Opt out of televised preaching? Anointing: Every believer is a priest in the new covenant. Wounds take a great deal of time to heal and its appropriate to share them and warn others to avoid similar church abuse. Pastor James MacDonald, of Harvest Bible Chapel, was given the boot last week by church elders after "highly inappropriate . Some women were still in the middle of the trauma and were still currently attending Harvest. I grew up catholic and vever really got a hold of it all. We are all human, myself included. Fear is what has been under all this, I would not be surprised if there is some fear in Jamess heart that is the root cause of his sins here. On January 7, 2019, Harvest elders announced they decided to drop the lawsuit against Julie Roys and four other individuals. Do systems of accountability exist in practice, or only on paper? I also managed to write an apology to James for the pain I had caused him. Sign up for our newsletter: Were you bullied by those elders named? Criticism of MacDonald begun to surface on The Elephants Debt, a blog founded in 2012, run by Ryan Mahoney and Scott Bryant, former members era of Harvest Bible Church. Nellie-What you might not know. I can think of hundreds of small things, and some rather large ones, that Ive compromised myself for. Just pray in a prayer closet to be still in the presence of Jesus. Not cool to kick people when they are down. Walked out of that service. Unfortunately I dont think the Harvest RM is the only Harvest with a culture of fear. Lina is right on. Then God led him to Harvest Bible Chapel. Typical gossips and power struggles are only the surface. Reflect about yourself and what steps you need to take to be healed and then to help others heal. The former Harvest Bible Fellowship leaders now at GCCwhich contains about 130 churches, more than half of which still have Harvest in their namesshare concerns about the churchs leadership and are looking for transparency and repentance from MacDonald. This team is to be made up of congregants, staff, professionals, and elders, and will be headed by a church member. I applaud you for your courage to leave the church and let the fall out damage by James to you as a person and your career ministry, to be in Gods hands. We did not want to cause a split or damage the cause of Christ, so we quietly left. Ill let the others fight that fight today. This post reminds me of something that happened at my former church. Lina, this took courage and Im glad you said it. This post drips of mercy. Then, he was fired, according to the Daily Herald, a suburban Chicago newspaper. A friend sent me a link to sermon about this yesterday: https://radical.net/sermon/kingdom-community/. No one asked why I quit attending after 15 years. BTW, Ive loved your blogs in the morning, but cant read the Twitter ones because I am not on Twitter. I hope that the cleansing and purification will come to Davenport as well. There are questions the leadership at every such megachurch should be asking. sheripine@cbcglendora.org. When I left my job I stayed at HBC for about another year before leaving entirely. Secrest, who founded the church in 2016 and affiliated with Harvest last September, said he didnt know at the time about the ongoing concerns raised about MacDonalds leadership and the churchs financial status, which led to Harvests lawsuit last year. Perhaps my fear had its legitimate reasons. No one knows why. Thank you for your openness and sharing! is it the pastors doing? And your part of the problem. I do pray that the entire senior leadership staff and elders who have participated in sheltering the truth for their own gain would be called out by the Lord. That the church went on and did not implode or hemorrhage members right then speaks to the prevalence of harmful ideas about authority and church leadership in evangelical circles. This is hardly a local issue in the Western church. I am sorry for the pain. He (the pastor) basically told us we would never work in ministry (volunteer or vocationally) because we didnt understand biblical authority. In the past we were to study pulpit curriculum and bible vocabulary. Thankful for the freedom you have found and are willing to speak up. There are always two sides to every story not really believing your story and if someone is a Christian you would talk about this with some Church leaders not blow it all out in public its sad that it was done that way that isnt what a Christian would do it is what a secular person would do. Jesus calls us to be GOOD. I do know that my faith will not be shaken. Once a preacher condemns other, that is the sign that he is trying to avert attention from what he is doing. His sermon provides good reasons for why we need to shine light on these abuses. How important it is to pray pray pray and check on our leaders also of their growth in Christ and what our church mission is and to stay biblical, not political but biblical. In a statement, the elders apologized to MacDonald and the congregation for the ways they had failed to live at peace with all men, as far is it depends on you (Rom. Dont bad rap other churches? Were they unaware of what was happening behind the scenes? now James McDonald. Dont talk to them, or theyll drag you down too. You are absolutely right about the fear! In addition, what was shared now, may have been heard better now, then it would have been heard before Lina left Harvest. I never understood why they saw him the way they do. I am so inspired to see you today. We believe that disciples of Jesus profess that He is Lord, practice His Ways, and persevere in both their profession and practice. I regret staying at Harvest after that meeting with the elders. Both can be messy, but in the latter case, responsibility for that mess must be laid squarely at the feet of the abusive Elders who are sinning, not at the feet of Christs little ones, the oppressed members of Christs flock, who are being caused to stumble, nor at the feet of those attempting to triage the wounded and sound a warning to others who are in danger of being The first one is in the magazine Relevant and looks at the allegations of Anne Green being inappropriately touched by James MacDonald. Did you see the link to my web page. They are not calmly declining either. Fear is why leaders did not speak up until now. But the biggest lesson is people need to stop looking at preachers as though they are perfect, but God know they arent and they need people on their necks to keep them honest. Not everyone is so blessed, and for those of you who have left HBC and have had to find a new local church, there are healthy ones out there. Im so sorry, and Im sorry for the comments here that are going to be painful for you. Our GOD is an awesome GOD. Church is of the world. We are stunned at the response of our pastor and a ministry leader who have declined to meet us as God directs us in Matthew 18. The message we received was they were sorry we felt that way and they were sure it was not his intention. When this happens, there is tremendous spiritual and emotional wounding. It isnt about timing. We need to trust Him. Because Jeff is still lying to peoples faces with a smug grin as recently as Saturday night. Linas testimoney is encouraging. Again I dont blame James MacDonald. Harvest Bible Chapel Naples and its landlord have reached a settlement, ending a court battle to evict the church. But wait who is that lurking around the edges, his deeds the center of everyones interest in our church right now, salivating and gleeful that divisiveness and sin is healthy within the body of Christ? For a great many, it's time for the cult of personality of James MacDonald at Harvest chapter to close and the actual Bible to be opened again., Today on his edgy radio show, Muller said while he felt MacDonalds firing had to happen, he also had wanted nothing to do with any of it and now my part is done., I feel like God was using me in this, he said. Your staying as long as you did part of the clarity and power youve experienced in communicating what youve seen. The culture of fear, intimidation, and secrecy has poisoned not just Rolling Meadows and its campuses, but also trickled down through the fellowship. No one wins here-except our enemy. Gordon Zwirkoski, a former Harvest elder and the original director of HBF, told Roys that James MacDonald essentially wields ultimate authority at the church and cultivates a spirit of fear in the staff. Former Harvest employee Dave Jones says his church has welcomed dozens of Harvest refugees who show signs of spiritual abuse and are disillusioned.. The Jews ebb and flow toward God followed a pattern. 3:48. Wow Nancy K, after all that has been said and done, seemingly over many years, it is startling to me that you would make such a commemtWow, Why? Im not sure it is saying tatoos are a sign of a decline in holiness, but the overall impression is any Christian who gets a tatoo wants to be cool and nothing about Jesus or the Gospel is cool. I appreciate the Biblical distinction you made Sheila, in relation to the Bible calling us to be good ; which doesnt always mean being kind and nice. Something happened to us some years ago and a number of people turned against us because of lies, etc. Thanks for being so honest. If they built it, it is theirs to destroy. Lina I couldnt agree more with everything you said and your comment here. I think God has not lifted the veil on a lot of eyes for some reason. Its hard no impossible- to do everything with the right motivation. Wow. The problem definitely doesnt end with James. Your studies are strong biblical studies. 12:18) as while working through this year-and-half-long process of transition. What she shared was the kindest message I have ever seen. The environment is as ahw stated, fear James, make James happy It, honestly, has been the biggest source of my own sin and self inflicted suffering. Romans 16: 17-20. Is many people for years have tried to bring things to light privately. Go figure..Disappointed, Searching for a new study close by. perfect response and reminiscent of what scripture teaches. *Strong Bad: Just for the record, in all kindness Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. God is purifying His Church. Thankful for her thoughtful response and I agree with you that God knows all of this and isnt surprised by any of it including the timing of her response. Since I know I am capable of the worst sin, I am choosing to show grace and praying fervently. Good for you and speaking up. How are you so sure she didnt pray about this? Nellie, I pray that God will heal those hurt by him and his abuse of authority. Thank you for teaching even in the midst of giving your testimony. God help those who cant see their need to be set free or judge those whove found it in Christ Jesus. I am aware that there has been some very good ministry done through this church. Im praying for you. Check out Moreno website, http://www.godsonlygospel.com. God IS in control and knows what he is doing. But your words affirmed what I suspected. He is not being bullied. I am sure that was very hard for her to share . A defamation lawsuit by the church against the website, and Julie Roys, a reporter for the bi-weekly Christian World magazine, who investigated Harvest, was dropped last month. You said, out of fear, I complied. I chose to believe the Bible and Gods promises. Yet Jesus minces no words when He tells us we ARE to judge teachers by their *fruits* and expose evildoers (and leads by examplesee His very public chastisement of the hypocritical Scribes and Pharisees in the Gospels). Find a church with great accountability. , The elders of Harvest stand behind [Pastor MacDonalds] character and integrity without reservation. Read the commandment in 1 Timothy 5:19-20 on the correction of Elders who sin, so that other Elders will be afraid to continue sinning against the flock. 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